Hope the best for you, and thanks for the book recomendation.
La Falta Habitacion Por Sr Hor-Hey!!
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Thanks and farewell...
by Alfred inhello all..... a few months ago my wife expressed serious concerns about the time i had spent over the past couple of years reading old watchtower literature (printed circa 1880 through the late 30s) and the time spent on this site and several others.
she is very grateful that i was very persistent in trying to convince her that this is just a mind-control cult run by clueless men who simply make things up as they go along.
it wasnt easy, but im thankful that i was able to wake her up thanks to many of you.
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Why Do Introvert Elders Even Bother, What's Their Game?
by Bubblegum Apotheosis insomething that has troubled me for some time, why do introvert personalities reach out for the office of overseer?.
this personality does not help with shepherding the flock (other brothers pick up their slack, their too shy for judicial committes), they are not upbuidling for the brothers and sisters (their long lost stuttering problem resurfaces when asked to call m.i.a.
congregation memebers) and they are useless for widows and orphans (i can't help little father-less davie, my online role playing games are all time consuming!
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I was floored, utterly shocked, when they told me I had been appointed elder, many moons ago. I most certainly was NOT "reaching out" for it.
But being the good little JW, I had been raised to "never say no to a new privilege". So against my better judgment I accepted it.
You just summed up the life biography of the average born-in Ministerial Servant or Elder. I wouldn't say I ever reached out for anything, but I did do pretty much everything that was expected of me. I'll never forget when I was younger and still living at home, the Service Overseer at the time asked me if I'd be interested in doing a demo at the Special Day Assembly. I declined because at the time I was starting to get sick of the pressure from getting on stages and what not. One way or another my father caught wind of me declining that "privilege", and he was livid and completely flipped out on me. Made me feel like complete and utter worthless shit. Couple years back he apologized to me after we had one of those grown son and father conversations which meant a lot to me, but the damage still resides.
Reflecting back, I look at the life of a born-in to be similar to a dog who gets rewarded for good behavior with treats. Only difference is the treats that we recieved was what should have been affection that should have been given regardless if we "reached out" or not. One gets baptized out of pressure, handles privileges out of pressure, accepts new privileges out of pressure. Time flies and before you know it they're "putting their hands" on you and by that time you're so accustomed to saying yes that it's already a given what's next. Brothers don't reach out as much as they're doing what they've been raised to do, perform. Sit Ubu sit, good dog.
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Blantant coitridiction in todays wt
by elderelite inthis isnt news worthy of course, but i thought i would point it out anyway... apologies to blondie, i dont see the normal wt thread yet.... .
para 2 states that "the other sheep should never forget their salvation depends on their active support of christs anointed "brothers" [gb] still on earth".
para 13 says "he [peter] pointed out that their hope is not founded on their works, but on [the deserts gods] undeserved kindness".
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SD, well put man.
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Anti-Watchtower Billboard In Russia
by Bangalore inanti-watchtower billboard in russia.. .
bangalore.
[edited image for you -- lee].
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Ahhhhh the irony, mentally diseased apostates defending the freedom of a cult that wishes nothing more than to see their detractors destroyed at Armageddon.................
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Hear ye!hear ye!!!!Take notice
by mouthy intomorrow the 22nd i will be 85 years old .
good wishes only please,remember if you say something nasty i will cry.
and my mum told me it is a sin to cry on your birthday .
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When God said, "let there be light" you flipped...............
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Happy birthday, Mouthy.
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REAL-TIME CIRCUIT ASSEMBLY UPDATE "DO NOT SHOPLIFT FROM JEHOVAH!"!!!
by Sunflower Samurai injust a quick overview of some new light that is coming our way, forgive my posting via my cellphone.
audience is given ten questions and we have receved anwsers to r questions.. .
"we are stealing from jehovah, if we are worrying about problems in our life, congregation, or employment.
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This actually gave me a reason to look forward to the convention now LOL. I'm sitting here at my desk cracking up over this shoplifting illustration. I HAVE TO HEAR THIS FOR MYSELF!!!!! Classic!!!!!!!!!! Gotta take a page from Sweetbabycheezits...............
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Blantant coitridiction in todays wt
by elderelite inthis isnt news worthy of course, but i thought i would point it out anyway... apologies to blondie, i dont see the normal wt thread yet.... .
para 2 states that "the other sheep should never forget their salvation depends on their active support of christs anointed "brothers" [gb] still on earth".
para 13 says "he [peter] pointed out that their hope is not founded on their works, but on [the deserts gods] undeserved kindness".
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I posted on this before EE, but it is a heluva contradiction!! I wonder how many people caught it today, or even considered it a contradiction for that matter?
I studied my WT yesterday, and even during the public talk my thoughts were on this contradiction like, "how can they not see it?" I mean, when you have a hope which is in harmony with faith, then you expect it to come true and that's more in line with undeserved kindness or Grace. When works are involved, calling it a hope with the need for faith is more of a stipulation than it is undeserved kindness. There's a tremendous difference there, and I don't know if there were multiple writers involved with this lesson before it got the thumbs up for printing, or maybe we've got some allies in the Writing Department who are actively undermining the powers that be in Walkhill/Warwick?
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An experience I had that is directly related to the WT's blood doctrine and policy.
by La Falta Habitacion Por Sr Hor-Hey!! inoccasionally there are threads or posts that deal with what punishment or sanction is to be expected when one submits to a blood transfusion.
the real answer to that question is two-fold as it all depends on the person's attitude and whether or not they show remorse.
if that's the case, the individual will definately lose their prvileges and maybe even a vague announcment will be made to the congregation that the elders have had to assist the individual with a spiritual matter.
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Occasionally there are threads or posts that deal with what punishment or sanction is to be expected when one submits to a blood transfusion. The real answer to that question is two-fold as it all depends on the person's attitude and whether or not they show remorse. If that's the case, the individual will definately lose their prvileges and maybe even a vague announcment will be made to the congregation that the elders have had to assist the individual with a spiritual matter. On the other hand if the person doesn't see wrong with their decision to allow a transfusion, they're disassociated by their actions. On that note, I wanted to post an experience that left a bad taste in my mouth.
When I got appointed, as a younger man, the other brothers on the body thought it would be great experience for me to investigate a situation where it was believed that a publisher in the congregation recieved a transfusion. Me being young, dumb, and full of dumb, all the while eager to please my newfound peers which is the equivalent of pleasing Jehovah, went along with it. So the following Sunday, we caught up with the publisher who agreed to meet with us in the library after the meeting. The other brother, a member of the HLC took the lead, and I more or less followed along like an intern. The publisher was adament that the transfusion was provided while incapacitated and was completely unaware until after the fact. The other brother provided some scriptural support and encouraged the person to take steps so as to not allow this to happen again. He didn't scold the publisher, or try to make him/her feel guilty, and later on after the publisher was out of the room he explained why. This is before the latest Shepherd book was released, and what he was relaying to me was exclusive information privy to only those on the HLC at the time, but it was in harmony with 9:3 of the new Flock book which was soon to be released.
Fast foward 3 years later, and this publisher is experiecing significant health problems and while at the meeting feels that they're going to have to go to the hospital and there's definately a possibility that blood is going to be an issue. After the typical meeting, I'm a busy man running here and there, trying to have a word with everybody while at the same time there's some behind the scenes matters that I need to deal with. So when I get a chance at getting to the elder cubby hole as I like to call it where all the records, computer, talks, files, etc. are kept at, I do it immediately as otherwise I'll end up forgetting to take care of business and won't remember until I'm halfway home. So I head to the library where the cubby hole is, and someone touches my arm, and its none other than that HLC elder who then proceeds to ask me if I have a minute because he wants me around as a witness to somone's DPA signatures. I agree and we both walk into the library and who do I see sitting there? Yep, that same publisher from a few years back along with his/her sibling.
On the table is an older DPA with smudged ink and not entirely white any longer. Beside it is another DPA with scratch marks covering certain things that have been checked, and beside it was a brand spankin new DPA. Again, the HLC brother took the lead and I followed along but here's where it got interesting, at least to me. The publisher made it clear that they didn't want any blood in them what so ever. It was obvious that the person hadn't done their research on blood fractions or procedures such as cell salvage. So the HLC brother took the time to educate the publisher all the while not coaching them as to what decision to make as at the end of the day that falls on the publisher. Well, at one point the HLC brother made the statement that it's good the publisher is doing this now so as to avoid what happened previously. Now here's what caught me by surprise and why I wanted to post this.
The publisher then went on to ask, "what happened before?" The brother replied, "when you recieved a transfusion. You don't recall?" The publisher with a look of absolute bewilderment and a touch of horror replied that he/she didn't remember. That's when his/her sibling spoke up and said, "Yeah, you had a transfusion. You don't remember the brothers meeting with you?" I probably should have mentioned this earlier, but we met with the sibling not long after the transfusion was administered in order to determine if they had any idea where the ball was dropped and if it had been deliberately dropped. The reality is, the publisher in question is not dumb or ignorant by any means, and I'd bet anything that they recall all too well the fact that they had recieved a transfusion, and that's the part that bugs me out right now. They willingly feigned ignorance out of fear from being ostracized as the result of a judicial committee. Meanwhile, investigating any so called wrongdoing was the furthest thing from our minds. The HLC brother just wanted to assist the publisher in filling out their DPA, and I was along for the ride as I was in expectation of signing something.
I just wanted to post that to get it off my chest as it's not exactly sitting well with me. It really illustrated to me how the WT has chosen an erroneus position based on dietary laws given to the ancient Israelites and 1st Century Christians. What I have to imagine is for legal concerns, they've convoluted their position making it a difficult task for the average JW to decide what's acceptable to the WT, and what's not. I mean the publisher in question didn't know what to check mark and write or what not to checkmark and write, and not the elders or any other JW should impose their belief system or conscience onto someone else. My question is though, how can one have a belief system or conscience when your directives are confusing and dictated by anonymous people in Walkhill/Warwick? I don't know, it's just very strange to me.
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Massive faculty resignations at Georgia Baptist college requiring them to sign pledge against homosexuality
by cantleave inhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/shorter-university-personal-lifestyle-statement-faculty-exodus_n_1528588.html.
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As far as I know except for Bethelites, there is not a similar pledge for the average jws. Do elders, COs, DOs, etc., have to sign a document that they are not gay?
No, elders don't have to sign anything. They just ask you whether or not there's anything to prevent you from serving and if you've ever had any history of allegations involving child abuse. I don't know about COs, and DOs, but elders and Ministerial Servants don't have to sign anything.
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Former high-ranking members on JWN ( >/= CO)
by SweetBabyCheezits indoes anyone know if we've ever had former co's, do's, etc... as members of jwn?
i know we've got some former bethelites and gilead missionaries on here.
what say ye?
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Wintston Churchill was/is a CO. I always look foward to his posts as he's pretty level headed.
friggin shoplifters.